House of Cards: An LGBTQIA2+ Podcast
House of Cards: An LGBTQIA2+ Podcast

Episode · 1 year ago

House of Cards: LGBTQ History: The greeks

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Today! we talked about anicent greek and their prespective of the gay community. We talked about transgender worshippers, their view on gay sex, gay marraiges, sappho, and asexuality in the patheon. It was a lot of fun and we hope you also enjoy it! We hope to see you next week and if not, have a good rest of your life, and remember you are vaild as fuck

Written by Avery Ann
Edited by Jaxson Stiles

Produced by: Jaxson , Avery and Simone

Music: Lofi-Missing memories , lofi fading away, lofi fly and lofi escapism.

Hi, y'all, I am avery, a I you see her pronouns, and honestly, over the weekend I bought Jack Boy Bunny shirt just for the irony, and it's maybe the best purchase I've ever made in my life. I'm some Suman. Did I cut off avery in time? Could you still hear avery? I could still hear avery. I'll have to be louder next time. Shut up, inferior, wow, inferior. I am hi. I'm Jackson, than the inferior man of the podcast. I use. They then sorry, I'm going to talk to why am I eating? One is always like, HMM, rule recording. Let me stuff my face. Are you using now? And my womb is cleaning and I'm kind of scared. That is hot King Shit. Honestly true. I thought Avery said King Shit. I was like, that's the owning about some Moan. Oh, hi, I'm summoned. I you see, they pronounced that I just had the best McDonald's on the planet. Let me tell you, this is not sponsored. By the way. Donald's be what McDonald's is not the best thing? Hey, no, but spicy habaneromic chicken, cut the lettuce, add cheese, with fries and barbecue sauce. Okay, you got me that. You got me, though. Yeah, so I don't know a chicken. Okay, that's true, but chickens superior out of all the meat. It is. I just don't like red me folk is pretty good. I hate pork.

I hate you. Hate you too quick, before you go to promote, before we get into fun chick can I just see what the topics because I kind of came up with the eighty and I'm very excited about it. I like love the idea. I. Okay, so you can find us. Oh what, promote now, because I can just edit any pot I don't like. So, yeah, okay, paugers Um, you can find us on Instagram at House of cards, underscore podcast, on twitter at lgbt underscore deck. On Not Tumblr. We have a tumbler, but we're not really promoting it. On Tick Tock. where? Where's it? Like an ECHO? I don't know. My wifei is so Shitty, Dude. anyways, you can find us on tick tock at House of cards, lgbt. Yeah, you're you, merry chill. Yeah, okay. So, before we get into conversation, I really want to talk about this in that I I love this. I came up this idea a better go, was it last week? We came out for that before we record it. But so we've talked a bit about like the pride history, but we didn't exactly talk about LGBT history. So we kind of care for the ideas that lgbt history is very long and we want to break down the idea of like it's a trending thing. So we're going to talk about five errors. The Greek and Roman era, which is today the medieval and dark age era, if I'm correct, avery like medieval kind of Middle Dark Ages. Yeah, and then I think we did the S S S Victorian and we do turn not another renaissance, Renaissance, Renaissance kind of Victorian into modern time era, but the eighty, I think, seventy two, eight eighteen century or something like that.

It'll be very broad in that kind of spectation because, you know, I don't think a lot happened in LGB history. Will find out and then all that one will be talking about about the s and the s and now the twenty one thousand and all of Twenty Sive, you know, in modest for one that I am really loving actually this topic because the research. I am having the time of my life. Oh sorry, Jackson, you can cut this out if you want. I think we should also do like how the punk movement in the s fueled homosexuality. I think we'll talked about that. In the S I really was very able on any big moments, from like the time our grandparents were born to now boys. I just I have like actual books that I can do research out of for that. Okay, well, we know it's molls writing. I'm very passionate about it anyways. Yeah, let's leave that in. I'll let it these pots that look what amazing. Yeah, every I have some bad news, though. Oh, I talk to your manager, your general manager, my general manager. That though, for me, I'm all of you, I'm everyone's in a manager up myself, general manager and all of the vivious general manager. I do a very multitude of job and you will fall alone. Yo, biformance and research has not been up to the paw that works bacting checks and suck good Dick. We're gonna have to let you go. I'll a simone. I have some good news for you. Your general manager said you've been excelling at showing up on time. Sometimes contributing to the episode. So we'll promoting you...

...to researcher. Oh Fuck, its lock if you get to do nothing but show up and sometimes contribute to the fuck. Okay, if anyone's like, nobody get mad at some Moan when we make these jokes. There is a legitimate reason. I don't just want to say that, but there was a legitimate reason why. I have symptoms disorder and no therapist wants to touch me. You can't use that Becasoda. Mean angry vibes. I'm leaving. What about medical conditions? I can cut this out, extrude, but simone just doesn't deal with physical school as well as me and a we do. It was not built for someone I'm bill citing. Yeah, it's what was built different me and if you do better in the school system. So we're able to balance school and okay, but like we're literally academically on par. We are. We have an exact eighty seven percent average the both of us. We did it. We like did the math over the weekend and we had the exact same average. Turknically. I probably hire the higher allows in yours because I've completed more courses in you, I mean, but we only did the this school year. Yeah, but I've completed almost I've only completed four and you've completed three. So that's a full as well as yeah, one. Uh. Anyway, the chocolate man I'm eating is full of balls and I don't know what to think about that. Good, a chocolate? What I heard? Chocolate? No, man, can I be wrong? Talking about balls? Let's get into our topic for say, because well, if you know Greek history, Zoos Zeus puts his balls in everything. That's so Jena. He's got one big thundercock. Oh my God, I love earlier. We don't know it's fake, but what's it? Everywhere. So let's...

...jump right in. Um. So, yeah, personally, I cannot hear or think about anything Greek without also associating it with day. Oh, perhaps it is the letter association, because you know, they both start with G and sometimes my brain works that way, or when I think, I think a too. No, I said do. That's weird. Anyway, I love I love that Um or maybe you know it's just the fact that Greeks have like the earliest record of same sex marriages that actually predate heterosexual marriage. So, yeah, exactly right. It's incredible. I like scram being sorry. Oft of that's a big ASS rip. Additionally, Plato praised Homo sextuality and his early readings, and Aristotle supported them as well. I mean big oof that Plato actually later called homosexuality a spin and everything, but I mean that's that's not pug internalized homophobia. Internalized Homophobia, exactly, homophobia. It's been here since the beginning. Um, there are many unidentified images of intimate nail couples that are referred to as arenstees and Ara, Iraminos, iernam Araminos, Romanos, geronimos, Totin aronimos. Don't say anything to interrupt you, but think about it. It has the wood arrows in it, so I think it's going to it's like Arrows Meno. It's like I'm saying arrows and in sexual love. No, because I googled the pronunciation and I listened to it on Youtube without the dumb continue. Anyway, though, I listened to...

...the pronunciation literally three minutes ago and then I was like my brain saw the word and completely just like farted my an Arrow woman makes more sense exactly. anyways, Um, they mean lover and loved one, which that is just so fucking cute man. And the ideal was that both of these partners would be inspired by arrows, who is the like God of passion and Love, and we've actually talked about him in our episode on the kinds of Greek love. Um. And you know, the hope was that these partners would result in the improvement of each individual to further their worthiness of the other. That's so cute, so cute, we love it. Bring it, you know, I feel like every well, he was looking at them was like something smells a little fruity. Yeah, exactly, everything smelled fruity. And Ancient Greece, well, they did have a lot of oils and all of the grape. So great, true. Yep, yeah, grapes. Right, all right, we've already groups are game. Okay, culture, we claimed the grapes. Have a limped rip wrist. Sorry. Okay, we've already touched on Sappho, the woman loving poet who was born on the now world famous island of Lesbos. I just realize the absolutely fucking icon as it is the famous island of lesbian the famous island of Lesbians. Just just honestly, oh honestly, honestly, lesbos is like the real life version of the island that wonder woman lived on. I think a stuff of that. That is...

...the best thing I've ever heard. anyways, inspiring the terms of South Africa and Lesbian. Her poetry was famous for love and passion for both genders, a bisexual fucking icon, immaculate, as well as narrates various infatuations for women. Queen Shit. She was exiled later for reasons unrelated to being homosexual and was later allowed to return. So she probably just like killed someone. Yeah, I kind of want to see if I can find out what she did. Kind of. Maybe she liked winked at someone wrong. Maybe, maybe, maybe she was a witch. No, wait, those a European thing like that. We're not that far in history yet, right, got it? At say time traveler and get some stuff on time all the time. That's light, and that's why I'm doing so good in history right now. And, of course, the Greek gods and deities famously practicing modern American ideals for gender and sexuality. There have been new discussions on the Goddess Artemis, depicting a sexuality and a romanticism, the God herm's representing interchangeable Genter Genter Fuck Center and how pretty much all the Gods appear pansexual. Now I okay, so artemist, I'm actually going to get into that. A sex wait, hang on, but I looked into her for a hot second and she was literally like the goddess of delivery for babies. Yeah, I'm I'M gonna get into anyways. Any sorry, it's a little artemis. She is about as bitch, but right. I actually looked up quickly. The Paradise Isle Island...

...which Wonder Woman is from, is not based on Lesbo. So rude, but anyone going to it for in? Definitely the idea of automous being asexual during Greek history times it's a little iffy. As some own said before, we can't really say she wasn't a sexual, though she did say of Rogin. She did have attributes of someone who is not a sexual but someone who was pledged no sex. But lucky for us, when looking for an Arrow Ace, repent representive in Greek history, there are there are other two known Virgin Goddesses, Pessia and Athena. We're going to look into Athena, who, by the way, is the baddest hitch in the entire planet like you read a book about Athena and you're enlightened. Just quick footnote, footnote. This episode is no responsored by Athena. She's not pay not that I know of, unless any of you lied to me, not that I know so, a lot of year, all the time. Again, this is a speculation. I don't think Greeks never had a word for error a, so it's speculation. But Athena was not born in the casual sexual way as in a baby quality in its way out of the vagina. It's not crawling. We've, as we stated before, the baby called wiggling, wriggling. Instead's first it wriggles out, rolled, crawled. Actually, my bia teacher said it's more like a cannon. Oh my God, exactly. Instead, she much from Zeus, Zeus's head after he ate, the goddess meet, I know, the Lord meet, matteath matteas. Athena has no stories about her and a lover, except for one with us, a Fassis, in which...

...she did not feel the same way about him, instead of feeling the love of a brother and a sister. But not they all have. It's not that way. She did not want sex with them, though he did think she did and he tried things. But mark and spottiest, I don't know what a step in. Out of the most known goddesses Athena has, it's the closest riving, having no sexual thoughts and no romantic partners. When you look into her, it makes sense why she's not. So she definitely paves the way for an error ace icon in Greek. Mr I mean, I still fell. I still said Artemis. But okay, we don't know that much. Everyone talks about Ottomists being the baddest bitch in like the the Pantheon. Outomus was gone because she, outomist, was hunting. You know who was in the court fighting for Gay Rights? A Fena. You don't look car who's challenging her dad, who was the god of Gods. Athena, Outos, is out sitting in a pool with some very beautiful ladies, not having sexual thoughts, and I fen it was out here not care about sex, not camera. Were mattic for this, not having them. Athena like Artemis. Okay, well, she's are aways. I still wait. Wait, wait, wait, so artemis no cottage core and Athena was girl boss. To you, absolute automatic would only be considered a sexual love are ace as automistic. Show some more loving towards the people feelings. Hopefully. Artemis had like a thing like a temple, and people would worship her by performing sexual acts that were not technically sex. So she was a technical virgin, so that there's this whole theory where she would only have sex with women so...

...that they, like people, still considered her virgin because she never had sex with a man. Oh, getting n Artemis Fandom, she did gate fall in love with people, so she was she was not a romantic, like a thing of event and would only have been a sexual. It's like, yeah, Queen. Moving on. In ancient Greek and Rome, the Goddess Sable, which obviously that's a really fucking pretty name. She was worshiped by a called for males who would castrate themselves and refer to female pronouns and attire immaculate exactly. They've since been referred to as early transgender figures, and the male body was a focus of male sexual attraction, eating room. So it was actually socially acceptable for man and to have like except the penetrative role in sex. So Roma, we need to talk as the Romans pegged. Sorry, but can we talk about the way a very avoided the world? Bottom? You can say bottom. It's okay, Avery. Oh my God, I didn't even think of that. I am this is how as I am. Wait, wait, can we talk about the fact that avery wrote when in Rome, peg is the Romans pig job. But even though Froud, would you crowd Freud? Would you would be proud? The only sex thing it is, though, actually, today, your mother, for everyone wondering, Floyd is when you stay one thing, but you mean your mother, mean want to? He doesn't. The only thing avery would do for sexual...

...act is Peggy in a man. I rest my case. Continue every Oh my God, ah, that's a horrible. God, how dare you? Oh my God, how did we kill avery work? How do you think, God, if you brings this so little joy, so much, so much bleached today. It's funny. Maybe you need to finish your Oh, I know, um, even the atallo Roman Hispanic Emperor, Hadrian. It's Hadrian. I did I think it was Audreyan. Okay, some the best. So whenever we don't know ward, we're just gonna stop talking and Simon will fill it in. Yeah, honestly, it's complicated to edit it, so it sounds really fake too. Anyway, he Adrian, not Audrean Hadrian is renowned for his relationship with a man named and Tinois, another emperor named, I fucking Google this pronunciation. Ten minutes ago, Calus. Now it's just a lackableis a Lagabalus, a like a louds alive, a little I like a ballot. Oh my God, lab black Ab he's trying to kill me. Avery tried to give me this paragraph, but I had to change it to add in the I felix. Oh my God, avery, sorry, okay, you need to like reading like Ky. This paragraph doesn't walk. We need to add. Thank God I moved it off. Yes, a lag of a list. However the fuck you say. His name is depicted as transgender by some modern writers, but they're sayings of delight in being...

...referred to as a wife, mistress and Queen, and I'm pretty sure, actually, that they also had a gay lover. Who didn't have a gay lover in ancient Greece and Rolland in Rome anyways, when Rome, thank your boyfriend, why not? It's also speculated that the first known same sex marriage was recorded in Rome during the rule of Ceasar up this so I'm not. That's cool. I'm going to text my boyfriend and ask him if he wants to go to Rome. Oh my God, he's funny. I means like if you secretly like been listening to all the podcast episodes, how would you know about Pagan Rome from listening to the podcast? Like, imagine he's just like a secret fan. Oh my God, he's our biggest listener. Imagine. So part next, savery or now? Not? So some month. Yeah, that's saying. It's Oh, I know what a sake in five minutes. Okay, yeah, why not? Well, well, like this time, can I talk about our Lord and Savior theme? Okay, shut the fuck up. Greek and Roman myth have its kind of homost sexual stories, though with the most focus on male loving male literature. You men, but like that's cool to me. That's cool. That shows that even though they wore accepting sexuality, they will still sexist. fucking misogyny ruins everything. A totally where they were like yes, we love the gays. Women, though, honestly, there's like one Greek myth where it's like supposed to be women loving women, but it's actually Zeus disguising himself as a woman, which doesn't count. That doesn't count. Dude. I wonder, like if I wonder if the Greeks were homosexual because they were so misogynistic. No, it's...

...like that thing. Look, it's like this thing that's like, oh, like, you know that thing that was going around on the Internet. It's like, oh, like, estrogen can enter your penis during sex. So like it's the least gay to have sex with man. I sent that to all. It's anyway, like, I wonder if they were like that, oh, like slately homoerotic football players. God, I have so much fuck Greek history that, like, you don't even know. Anyway, go on, sweetie, including Achilles and pre patricklist the patriclist as close trokes song would's best spongebrod's best friend. It is okay, anyway, was the two most popularized gay lovers in Western culture. Icons notable Greek characters, such as Hercules, minos or hair, cleeves, heracles, Hercules, not the white person, not Hercules heracles anyways, orpheus, hyacinth, perseus, narcissist and okay, okay, and gay and gay are all depicted in taking partiotic sexual relationships, as well as the Gods Dionysis, immaculate, Zeus O, Poseidon, Zephyrus, pan and Hermes, Apollo and herpes and Apollo, W that, and and homies Apollo. That's own brand, I feel like. There we go. Say it again. I added it to make it down better. Someone if you want to say again, as well as the Gods Dionysis,...

Zeus Poseidon, Zephyrus, Apollo, pan and Hermes, Apollo had the most male lovers of all the Greek gods. fucking iconic slot. Anyways, Nice. Sorry, stop. He totally is. We love them, though exactly. We love the appears. I work from a Polo, so sometimes he POPs in. You're a swat. He's not here right now, because if he's here right now he probably would be mad at me, but I'm just thinking, like I hope I don't like edit this podcast. He comes in. Hey, what's the fuck? What do you call? You say about me. Yeah, and then you sorry. Additionally, in poetry chronicles consisting of more than elevenzero lines, the character, if this M Kanus, switch sexes, which is foggers. So our hey, we wants me to say this line. I don't want to. No, basically, we hope that you'll be able to think about Greece without thinking what what Siv a minute. We hope that you will not be able to think about Greece without thinking about Kay as well, though. Again, we recommend doing your own research. Date me on the selfish grab a fucking trouble and digging to the Google, unless you have no wi Fi. But if you have no wi Fi, how are you listening to us? That's valid, I guess. Find Your own gay and transcender icons, them on the Greek and Roman era and make sure to tweet the matters act LGBT, understore underscore death so that we can see who you're gay and transgender icons are. Make sure you tune into next week for our mid evil and middle age period, when we talk about the gays in that time period. Heads Up, it's not looking that good. We might even talk about what how the world fake it came to be.

Whoy maybe remember, as we go deeper into history, majority of history is written it by the sistet people. So many history doctuments exclude as beteen matters. There are thousands of possibility, but who was gay, straight, Trans at MB? For them more for the more for the further more, Oh my God, Fuck Youill, I am making every once again for a word, brother, more like, okay, come in, word. That was not but no, no, no, it's the consent. It's come. So I edit in the think bots would have been. Here's what they would have Sunden like in Avery's head. Ready, guys, tune in next week for our next era. Them An evil and middle age for the more. Remember that, no matter how that doesn't honey. Just me. I feel like it should just like cut it out and be remember them anyway. Anyway, I think we're done making fun of every for now. Remember that, no matter what your identity is, romantic, sexual what? Remember what your density is, whether it be a romantic sexual or general density, you are sapped out. Laugh, laugh as fuck, or, I translate from the smoan language, ballad as fuck. Listen, I try to write puggers instead of valid and avery was just silencing me, changing as you shouldn't, and all I see is back. Are they good? Delete it. Relet reacts whole argument and I'm just sitting here trying to read my power. Yeah, well, that you know. I I think we all have a very deep love freak his history. Some of US agree that autumnist is overrated, not...

...that cool. Maybe. Oh, we twin. I'm yeah, that's just you. I think that's the majority of us. I think that's the majority of us, but no, you're not the majority. Shut the fuck up. We all agree. Make the fuck up. We all agree the best Greek God is Dionysis, and you know, okay, nicest would say your valid as fuck, and we can also say to make to the follow us here so that you can tune in next week, as we will be here next week talk about the next era in history. We are not sponsored by Dionysis, though we're, as we were, sted by blood. Anyway, we hope you enjoyed this episode and we hope to see you next week that we can talk to you about medieval times and talk about nights history and stuff related to that. But talk about the slight Homo eroticism with correctueen being Arthur and Berlin, you know, all that fun stuff around table. What was that about? Can I finish outro? Let's talk about if not, sex, I'll just thinking them and finished in myself the pause. We hope to see you next week. If not, have a good rest of your life. Is there anything to add? Valid is fuck, stand the gays and agree on the gays. Okay, goodbye, guys, by you, bye, bye, bye Bya.

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