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House of Cards: An LGBT Podcast
House of Cards: An LGBT Podcast

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House of Cards: An LGBT Podcast; LGBTQ+ and Religions

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Today we played would you rather and talked about how Christen, Jewish, pagan and Wiccan Religions and how they feel and work out with LGBTQ+ Communtiy. 

Hi, welcome to the House ofcards and LGBT podcast, where we talked about gay things. We Love Gay. Yeah, you do, we stam and hi, my name's Jackson.I see the Pronoun. I didn't do that last episode and that's fine.If you don't know, if you don't know what a phoneounst check one ofother episodes. I'm should we said at once, and I'm goringly trying torevamp my animal crossing village because I can't revamp my life. Yeah, I'ma very I used she her pronouns, and in the last few episodes Imentioned that I'm knitting an octopus. I just found out that I accidentally ditchedan additional one hundred fifty three. Okay, yousgree now, one hundred and fiftythree. I don't know how it happened. Yeah, but you saidit was a hundred and fifty. Okay, anyway, sorry. Yeah, yeah, me too. That's my life. I'm so disturbed. I really evenknow how that happened. I feel like that shouldn't have happened and Ifeel like there was a mistake. It shouldn't have there was a mistake andit's name was Jackson honey. Facts. Yeah, now it's a mood.Okay, someone needs to introduce yourself now. Yeah, right, I'm Sumone,I'm a Nita holic and I she think through. Oh right, Ididn't do the contract one of all this. So we are going to be talkingabout religion today. So if you have any triggers that involved religion,don't watch or don't listen to this episode, or at least wait. Oh,you could like cut off art room, stop talking about our topic if youfeel like listening to US play all game and promote and that stuff.Yeah, we'll give like a little heads up. Yeah, we'll say itright before about to begin. They'll be a quick we'll give a quick,like fifteen second time for you to quickly pause the video, throw your phoneout of window. Whatever work expect to you. You. Oh, youguys have Victor Frankenstein was a grave robber. Yeah, how do you think?Do you think they what do you think? People donated the bodies toa college, to it so that he could remake a human body? Ihonestly don't know what I thought, but the science I wanted. She turnedin the Frankenstein. Damn, I don't think that's what they do. Whenyou give a body to science, they just see how you decompose. Dreambag. That's great. Fuck, what do you want them to do?I want them to turn me in a frank and so got the spider.I sorry, I'm playing out that. There's there's such things as body andfarms, where you like literally send your dead body and the study. How'llbugs at your corpse? Good, row, good, I've just been eat Ijust got some bitten by a spider. Oh, no, spider man,and I went and I literally went unconscious in the game like they justknocked about. You get pit at your character dies and I can't open mynotebook. Yeah, and it was. You've got you in it out.So I don't know what you're saying, but you've cutching in and out.Sorry. I write prone cons list about guys and that's happens to be inthe same notebook that I promote from. Anyways, I'm a CON guy.Well, do from out then. You...

...can find us on Instagram at Houseof cards underscore podcast, on twitter at lgbt underscore deck, on Patreon asjust house of cards and our website, house of cards, lgbtcom website,and on Tumbler it's house of cards. Boom, boom, you did great, sweetie and castic. We love you so much. Okay, so,relating to our conversation, actually, before we started recording, Frankenstein's monster isin fact male, but I cannot find any definite source that states that Frankenstein'smonster has a penis. Okay, so, for context, before we started recording, me and Jackson would kind of thirsting over Frankenstein and like we werewondering if, if you were to like do stuff with Frankenstein, would hisdick break off and like part of it the inside of you or kill you? Like what can we talk about? How, like everyone has the mediaas it like Frankstein's ugly, but in the actual literation the only thing that'sscared about him is he has yellow eyes. Yeah, everything else about him islike he's just really attractive Montjo Guy, except he of these. That's likeany guy who is in alcoholic his yellow eyes, yet people still datethem. Anyone with kidney failor literally, my Grandpa Frankenstein just had jaundiceps.Doesn't have to hate him for that. Well, they hated. They hatedpeople for like having long hair and not more being male. So anything shedid was valid as fuck, except for making that somebody with yellow eyes isa bad person and a demon. Wait, is that the what I tossa?I'm care, will be no scarf to wrote it as like part ofa contest and keep one. Okay, an anonymously too, because I don'tthink they would have accepted if they knew that it was a woman who wroteit. Wait, don't seem like a woman wrote it, except that islike an actual good story. Wait, okay, the rendition of this storythat I heard is that Mary Cilly was like hanging out with her guy friendsand they had like a race to write a story, like in the horrorcategory. Yes, and they were like party, going to castle and geta drunk his book and like Writing Horror Stories, and she'd see that shewrote the best one. Did she exist when they are castles still? Yes, they're still castles out like around now to wrote. Yeah, believe youdon't see anybody going through passing and like hanging out guys. We should goto Scotland and hang out in an abandoned castle, okay, and then whatcould possessed by a dead Porson? That's off. Second thing I order talkingabout is Finana, tracer Libas, back to the castle. Oh my God, mine to. Well, don't know their family history. I need to. My teacher was like talking about how she went to Berlin. There's likea lot of shame surrounding ancestry, so they just don't talk about it,you know, because is your ancestors could be a bad pitch. Yeah,so if people immigrated from Germany or Berlin to Canada or America or wherever,they don't talk about their ancestry. or The people who knew about it died, oh, like killed, died or like died as Ann know, likedied of old age. So like somebody's grandma, you know, like shecould have told her whole family about where they came from and whatever in Germanyor Berlin, but she didn't because she didn't want to, because she feltlike that was a bad bitch. Oh yeah, because their grandma was abad bitch. Hmmm, for grandma, like was an escape or something likeI robbed fifteen jails. There's something wrong with my yawn. I need tofix this. Okay, what are your...

...guys opinions on like the like supernatural, abnormal, everything supernatural, because that like sounds like weird. It's notjust me that I hate the tone people control. Do you guessie all becamecannon? Oh my God, Oh, okay, no, nope. Anyway, what do you think about that? Because I'm just really cool portion devotionof what they think. Like when you see ghostes. Yeah, so youknow how we only see ghosts in like pastimes, like in the ancient times? Yeah, like only girls from like, yeah, eighteen hundreds or whatever.Weird. So goes from one thousand nine hundred and sixty nine that diedat wood stock of the drug overdose. So, but what I heard issomething. Well, now, what I heard, I listened to the story, is that somebody thought that what would be cool is that where you seeghost isn't like what somebody died, but it's where this space is between thedifferent times is thin. MM. Because like the idea that like times notline or until like those two areas overlapp in time. And so this maybeyou see like a little boy dancecing on a bed or something like a ghost. Yeah, and you tell them to stop and they disappear with that littleboy in his time sees this weird adult walking and tell him to stop.It's like that kind of thing, see each other in this little thin areaof time that kind of scientifically possible to with the theory of wormholes exactly.It's just it's where to womhole or warmhole something existence, so you can glapglimpse into the past. Wow, we are so nerdy. We really dobe solving quantum physics. Bro I don't know. I used to play withlike wigi boards a lot. I still kind of do. I don't knowwhy under snow right now, but WHAH, I hate would eat you woulgi wougieboards. Would you want wiggie boards? They're just for fun. They're notfor like actually doing anything, because I don't personally believe they actually doanything. But what is really cool about them is if you do it alone, which I don't recommend. I had nightmares for weeks anyways, because ademon probably like possessed you or something like sleep process with halluse nations. Dude, get on my level. That literally sounds like somebody like with haunting you. Oh yeah, for sure, but how about to get this bad bitch? You feel that entity in you while that's insane. I don't know.I don't know why you think we why you would ever think they're okay,okay, I'm fine. My mother was always taught me never mess with themand I believe that whole hottedly, Oh, I don't, what's because, likeI believe that like want somethings dead. Just leave it alone. Like aghost is vibing in your room. Is it holding? You know,then leave it be. You have a new friend. That's all that is. Why can't you be happy? So we're going to play would you ratheragain, because we are kind of runt of the Games and I did seeone of you guys a suggestion for a game. I just have to actuallygoogle all the stuff and get everything ready. So we're going to do would yourather get today? I know, so boring. How on original?It was summon's idea. Fuck you. Never my fault. Aby. Doyou want to start us off? Yeah,...

...okay, awesome. So would yourather only we're plaid for the rest of your life, or only we'rejumpsuits? Flood Glad? Yeah, I look good in jumpsuits. Really,I feel like you would. What's the jumpsuit? Give me a second,like a like a ramper Jackson and a Romper. Right, that has jumpsuit, jumps to jumps through jumpsuit like pant suit. Oh No, Ifeel like I'd be hit is I have one that I really liked. Itreally makes my house, my hips pop. I said hawks. Wow, everyanything you wear makes your hiphops facts. I have really nice hips. Ilove it. My favorite part about myself a does a little hair flipone hundred percent every nose. They be looking good in their outfit. Ido simooned. Do you want to go? Do you have one ready? HaveOne? Okay, keep your head shaved, not completely bald, butshaved, or never be able to cut your hair ever again. Just keepsgrowing like Rapunzel. Shave shaved for sure, because as a male, that's waymost should acceptable than very long hair. The a kind of want really longhair because I know my hair can't grow past my shoulders and just startsplitting. Shave because I literally showed up to my first year of our summercamp with a bald head. Fun Though, throwback to when people thought I wasa cancer kid. Guys were back to my Moma. Oh my God, I forgot. I wasn't there, but I remember you telling me.You know, it was like rogues, like you had cancer. Not onlydid I like shave my head, but I also I disslocated my knee thatsummer, so I showed up in a knee brace and a shaved head.You just had like the most unfortunate for ever. Looking back, I'm like, wow, people must have thought I was dying or something. I sometimesstill think that, thanks, I'll have my neurologist. Yeah, well,my neurlogives. Many of us have those. You know that. I'm built therefront built. Okay, Jackson, you have to do or would yourather now what I do? Know, I don't I'll just like leave.Okay, just leaves. So would you rather go on a date? Way, you cloud watched or stall watched? So if if you're worried about temperatureat all, then like you can like a connore temperature. No, right, first, you guys live in small towns. So what it? Whatwas yours? Clouds, because I at night, I would have to worryabout getting murdered. Well, like, no, like, no worry.There's no like problem. You can just do what you want. No one'sgonna kill you. There's no get. Like. What's your just personal preference. Star gazing, but only if there's a comment going by other than thatkind of watching. Yeah, that's just. That's just because if you get bored, you can easily like have a seg yeah, and I like juston. Hey, what did you say? Probably Stars, but like that's honestlyjust like the esthetic, like lying down in the back of a pickuptruck, like middle of nowhere, looking...

...at stars and it's like goos thingaround. That's life. Probably stall watching as well, to be completely honest, like I would do stall watching like I would love of kicking stone watchingthat out of the two I picked, I would pick stall washing, star, gazy saw, whatever it is called, stall often. I Love Stars.Saws are so pretty good. But glad if you what do you say? I'd watching. You can be like, Oh my God, that cloud lookslike you. You're so sexy. You can take about start, likeyou could say my love shines brighter than the stars in the sky. Youcan tell each other stories about tried about Greek tragedies. You can tend topoint out a constellation really or just like making one up by a line,and no one's going to know the difference. Nobody knows constellations. I'm pretty surethat's like it's the Vogos up and I'm like where it's those three lines. Yeah, I know the stories behind constellations, but I don't know whatthey look like and I could not find them. I only know the bigdifferent role differ, because I can literally never find them. I can alwaysfind a Ryan, though. I can always find the big a little differ. Are You Stephen? When? No, not in the sky to be ableto see them from our trailer. Wow, we should getting to ourtopic. I just realize that we've just been talking. You've been talking forlike sixteen minutes. Oh, true, I forgot. Yeah, everything getscut out. Yeah, we cut some things out and I'm big brain today. Yeah, you're always like we've been talking to any minutes? I'm like, no, we've been on call for thirty minutes. Yeah, I cansee how long we've been recording. Just I go into the list just miningfor us. I'm like, oh well, okay, thanks avery. So againthis is your trigger warning. We are talking about religion, how religions, he's with LGBT and all of that together. So if you have problemsreligion, if Tama or just late not you don't want to hear this,then back off, get out, goos six. If you have. Yeah, if you have religion trauma, then you should definitely leave because this isjust going to harm you. Yeah, enjoy having viewers, we don't wantthem home. So we're just gonna just a quick fifteen seconds. Hopefully bynow you've quickly exited out of the way and we can get into our topicof religion and lgbtq plus. So for all ready you. Yes, sir, okay. So well, people typically pay religion with homophobia. It's aquite controversial and can have multitude effects on an individual individual and their family.Christianity and Catholic Catholicism, I can't yeah, tend to be the most popular controversaries, but are actually very open about the ugbody community in and out ofthe Bible. There's even one passes that reads there is neither man nor woman, which may which many trans and on thutting people have taken to as pushingbeyond the gender gender binary, even though the Catholic Church itself referced to gaysex. Of the fin there there are some teachers that claim to be justas spiritually valuable as heterosexual, heterosexual sex.

That was a lot of sex.Yeah, okay. Teachers that claim it to be a very spiritual onerole as heat. Sorry, my brains, I don't know if I said thatright. So again, as the Catholic Church or forced to gay,sick of the sin, there are some people who claim it to be justas spiritually valuable as heterosexual sex. That sounds yea, I realize like thatsounded more like ward coming out of her mouth. So yeah, like Iwas saying, just as specially probable as heterosexual sex and have many notable lgbtq plus members, including priests and Bishop. Additionally, as the Church teaches,one can't choose to be heterosexual or homosexuals. It can technically, itcan't technically be classified as a sin. So yeah, that's that's it again. Y's that's anyway. I'm back in the closet right now because will carryless throughout my house. anyways, there's been a lot of discourse within theChristian and Catholic communities about the inclusion of gay people. I would like tosay, though, it's more Catholic people than Christian people. Christian people tendto be more accepting. Huh. Just I don't know which. We're Baptistpositant, but I know Baptist is one of the worst under the God,like the God kind of religion. So if you if someone is Baptist andthey go to talk to scharge like if somebody went to a bout to churchand the guy I wouldn't go. That's what they are very bad with that. That's why my family doesn't go to church. Yeah, weird. Hehad a Catholic school. Be like, I don't like women, though.Gay People, what? Those don't exist? It's not. Many arguments for gayinclusion include that discrimination may drive young people away from the church. Thatis very true, and that the truth is God's love is unconditional for allpeople. There have been many protests about these issues and that, to tellthe cool name Alfredo or Mando, a gay writer, even died after settinghimself on fire in protest of Catholic discrimination. Partial to the I know I woulddo that. Partial to the disc there are many lgbt church organizations andthen, estimated twenty three to fifty eight percent of gay priests in the earlys, as well as much of the community, including classical author Oscar wild. We Love Oscar Wild, we do. I follow an Oscar Wild Fan accountsimilar to Judaism, the Torah, which is the Jewish Bible historically statesgay sex to be a sin, which is an opinion more modernly associated withOrthodox Jews. On the other hand, Reform Judaism allows homosexuality and gay marriage. Are Even two stories in the Hebrew Bible that are occasionally interp dated ashomosexual the story of Ruth and Naomi in the book of Ruth and the relationshipbetween David and Jonathan in the book of Samuel, which I haven't personally readthose stories, but I don't know, maybe I'll search them up after maybegoogle them a bit and really, yeah, figure it out. Oh yeah,it's our classical and shit more, more classical Jewish interpretation further goes onto state that, while homosexual attraction isn't a sin, homosexual intercourse maybe,whereas leslianism has been never explicitly prohibited.

You know, not to like King, shame ancient Jews, but everyone just likes lesbians. You know who doesn't? That's true. Yeah, anyways, the Reform Judaism movement has brought dozensof achievements for lgbt practitioners, including full acceptance into the religion and two instancesfrom two thousand where it was stated we do hereby resolve that the relationship ofa Jewish same sex couple is worthy of affirmation through appropriate Jewish ritual and integratingLGBT education into Catholic studies as to teach students to stand up against homophobia.Okay, yes, I really, I really hope that I say this right. Modern Pagan is, okay, taken as actually has a lot more lgbtpercentage than most mainstream religions. They some LGBT pagans find struggle with the setbinary, with more masculine relating to the sun or impregnitive heritage and feminine traditionswhich are is more like the moon and fertile culture. Yeah, more commonlyin the twenty one century, however, members have challenged the gender binary andquestion the existence of Queer and non binary deities, as well as incorporating sexpositivity and bedsm into the exploration of Pagan Culture. Can I actually say someliquick? I want to. I do study a little bit of paganism.I want to force that too. So modern paganism recognizes that everyone has feminineand Masculine Energies and when all related to male and female, which are relatedto male and female, but it does not mean that you have to bemale or to experienced. They aren't related. Yeah, they aren't. So itdoesn't mean that you have to be male to experience masculine energy. Youcan just have masculine energy as something that flows through you. A lot ofpeople have both. A lot of people have a mixture or a percentage ofmath skill and or feminine energy when it comes to ritualistic practice. Yeah,and it can be interchangeable and used for different things. It can be channeledinto different practices. Yeah, I want to talk about that too. IsYeah, how masculine and feminine in the Pagan and name the wiccan religion don'tmean male and female as they are in society. That is a society buildthing. They mean different types of energies that happen to associate with male andfemale, but they don't like some people. You need both. Yeah, everyonehas both. Yes, and you normally all recommended to have both,like you need an equalism. Yeah. Well, so talking about that.Wickens are quite positive on the homosexual view and some believe it creates insight tomasculine and feminine, feminine rituals that I don't know. I'm going to thereare two what mono and Meno and menoly organizations called the Brotherhood and sisterhood,that are specific, specific to gaze in bisexualist religion, knack religious naturalism isalso quite incorporated, and Uniteism, Nitide you, interior universalism, values ofdivosity, diversity of gender and sexuality as a spiritual gift. Yeah, Ihave touched on three world religions. There are more than hundreds out there,with dozens of us on lgbt community. Even if you identify with a religionthat maybe isn't as progressive or mainstream with...

...modern views, you can always,you can almost always find others in that religion within your community. Additionally,gay sex is usually only seen as sinful because it's not meant for procreation.Just remember that you're you not entitled to any belief or faith just because youidentify a certain way. Your beliefs and your sexuality is valid as folk inevery sense of the word, and you can almost always find someone's relation toand actually, I didn't write this one down, but I don't even knowwhy I didn't. But, like of so much of Greek mythology is likeso inclusive and diverse in terms of sexuality and gender and so and Roman andis all right. How Dick, I find is a bit kind of swayingon it, m a lot of the older religions and although people seem tobe more clusive of it than what you think. Yeah, and actually,I have a couple things I would like to at. So, yeah,I know that you two are more spiritual kind of faith, whereas, yeah, I know, yeah, someone, if you want to go actually intowhat you're kind of belief is and what you do quick just so that peoplekind of know? Yes, so what I do is I try to getin touch with myself through not so much spirit guides, but I use Tarotcards to figure out how to deal with struggles. I I don't really dealwith deities because I have not done enough research yet and it kind of scaresme. I do celebrate Major Pagan holidays, sort of. So that would includelike you'll and my bond and fuck, what's the other one? It justhappened. It's our version of Halloween, if the new year. I can'tremember what's called, but I get what you're saying. Yeah, Oh, I really wish I could remember it right now. anyways, it's ourversion of Halloween, where we honor the dead, as the veil is verythin and we would like to perspect them as much as possible while they're closestto us. So what I do is I I incorporate it into my daytoday, life, for kind of a sense of sanity, so that I havepower to move throughout my day. So one thing that I do is Iburned incense in the morning and I meditate and I carry crystals in my pocketsor I wear them on a necklace. And I met because I'm also kindof in the stuff is I woke a bit more with the energies of theuniverse and feeling the different life forces. Yeah, so I'm a little bitmore. I'm very close to nature, you, and if I don't gooutside as much, is when I am outside, I like to close myeyes and just feel like the living force that surrounds us. I try todo tail cards when a question is needed, but I don't rely on them toomuch because I like to rely on how the universe is tilting me on. This means a lot of sitting still. Basically, it's not the better.I don't meditate the way that, like most of them, would likethey sit on a main area. I sit and I stay off and that'smy meditation of just feeling the energies around me and that's my personal kind ofbelief into it. I woke slightly with deeds, not more of them gettingme started, but I have never walked like alongside one very long and that'sall two different practices. Those basically you.

I don't think any of us dopractice the wick of religion, do you? Um, I, Idon't. I'm going more onto plectic paganism. I belief because of my roots.I felt both of them were a little bit constructing. I kind ofdo my own thing, which is actually very common with in different practices ofwitchcraft. Yeah, because, yeah, because a religion and witchcraft. Butwitchcraft is not wika. Yeah, and deities come into play when you practiceHellenistic Wick, wick of or for Greek gods, which is the handling ofGreek gods or working with them whatever. I don't know what it's called whenyou work with Roman gods, though. I think it had probably I thinkit's Helens Dick a Roman as well. Probably. I then the fact iscalled colonism when you're working with the Greek dudes, and then there's cut Dickfaganism. Yeah, there's Calcl peg, which is working with the Celtic godsand the Celtic people that the normally falls under. It doesn't fall under,but there's a possibility of going into Judaism, which is something I'm a little bitinterested in. Yeah, Oh, how beautiful hearing you guys talk aboutyour faith. I don't know, I I'm just like, I'm so likekind of enchanted, like wow, like this is like a belief and afaith. Yeah, the thing is, I'm a lot of people tend tocreate it within themselves, not follow a Yaparation, which is what I thinkis beautiful about it. Yeah, it doesn't. So when you get acouchings, then that you are expected to donate money and you're expected to goevery Sunday and your expected to do all these things with this you kind ofdo what you feel. You do what you how you feel, what isnecessary. And Yeah, what else is they're going to say? Yeah,it's it doesn't fit into restriction. I feel religion is a cult in bindingactual but the actual works of what a cult really is not. But whatsaid? The modern society has it called a code religion is a cult.It's a group of people that come together towards ore for God, but faithdoesn't have to be that. I have a few things that I would liketo say about Greek mythology and inclusion and also the Bible really quick. Yeah, go on, go on. Yeah, are lying about that. So weknow. We all know the phrase, I'm sure by now, a manshall not lay with another man as he lies with a woman. Hm. That was actually changed during World War Two in Germany from a man shallnot lay with a boy as he lays with a woman. So, yeah, I think I read that. Yeah, that's I don't know how accurate thatis, but I have heard, I thought that it was actually aMiss Misread of the hue hobrew official thing, because of its ward selected has bothbeen used as man, but it was normally related to younger man,not older man. Yeah, which relates it to boy, not man.That's what I've pard. Person thing is that it was just a miss,but I kind of files. I also have another thing that relates to Greekbeliefs and gender fluidity. So the God Hermes he is the Messenger and I'msure everyone has heard the term. It's outdated now, for sure. Butthe term is Hermaphrodite, which comes from the Greek God Hermes, who isambiguous in gender. He doesn't have or, sorry, they don't have one.And he or fuck. They a...

...keep using he. But heard it'sbecause what society has, it's what societies told us is that I've been conditionedanyways. That's actually so have a bender and Hermes represents balance between two things, which I think is really cool. He he fought. The only reasonwe've been told is that there he is because the statues have been given apenis. Yeah, that's true, because I'm guessing they have a penis.That does not make thin mail. But she said it was like, HMM, yeah, that's selling credible actually, and that makes one hundred amount ofsense. And so herms is often represented by the Tarot card temperance, whichrepresents balance and sort of like kind of balance between two worlds, masculine andfeminine, energy, good and evil, stuff like that. He Hermes islike a balance figure. Herms is a non binary icon. Confirmed, theyreally do be. I just had a thought that I eat. Yeah,yes, I love having thoughts. Now thoughts had added, you know,thoughts head empty. We love that. Non Binary icons. Other than that, is there anything else we want to add on? Yeah, I reallydon't say. Do you have any you know? No, I don't thinkI do. Okay then, I think that is it for today's episode.This again, we hope you enjoyed it. We hope you can get tiggered.We hope you will introduce to a new world and seeing the difference inthree religion and the LGBT community. If you want to normal look up onGoogle and you can read more about it. We're not going to educate you andeverything that securality or topic has to offer. We can definitely do ourbest to get you to stalk doing it yourself and begin researching and begin lookingat it. So very interested gut up a bit. We could definitely inlike few weeks time, maybe in our like second season of the podcast,we could do it like a second part to this episode. Probably we donethings involving religion. We can't tell you how to thinker where you'll fit,and you kind of just figure it out faith and it's what your faith is, and sometimes you don't have any faith at all, and that's more whereI fall actually. That's that's the felt so mind oh you are, assomeone so perfectly fulk. Yeah, we will see you next week. Okay, see you guys by AV. A Good Week.

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